pinning and pins are not related so pins don't change pinned flag, bike lists can be build purely whilst out on the road if you want e.g. visual pointing.

Pinning in the traditional sense was the act of pinning bits of paper to the map of the approximate location of a point on the map, pins as in the pins for the app is an electronic version of that process, so the longitude and latitude of over 15,000 points has been plotted so you don't have to plot them. This means things like live pointing now works on proximity rather than road name, it will show you points on adjacent roads not just the road your on.
 

basically the app removes all the paper, it removes all the pre-planning if you want, you can plan your bike work by building a bike list beforehand of specific points, but what the app does as well is live pointing, here are the steps.

1. Create a blank bike list, view the bike list, then press on "Add Points Live"
2. The map screen appears with your location, this is where the pins pack comes into play, the app works out where the nearest pins that meet your criteria are, it draws a line between you and that point, you can then once outside that point, touch one button on the screen that adds that point to the bike list then points you to the next nearest point.

So what happens is no pre-planning but a live bike list is built whilst you are out, its up to you now how much preparation work you do before going out, old school pinning required all the work up front, this way none or very little is required.

Your friend with the pins should go into the knowledge area and go into "Add Points Live" this will show him/her the map of pins.
 

You only have to create the bike list once, go into it, then 'Add point live' from that point it is a single button press for each point to be added it really is that simple, you cannot use 'add point live' for pre-planning it is live only, for pre-planning you use the option 'add points' above the 'add point live' button they are distinctly different options doing two completely different tasks that create the same outcome in the e.g. they add points to a bike list.

There is always differences between the point counts, the only time they would be the same is if you had my database with 18,000+ points in it, this is for the following reason.

Points and pins are two different things, pins are layered on top of points, so for example if you have 5,000 points in your database, when the pins are installed it looks at what points you have and only adds pins to the points you have so if your 5,000 are the same as the points in my database you would get 5,000 pins, but this is very very unlikely, you only have to install a daily sheet that I don't and differences occur, what I can say is I have worked down to 20 times asked and a bunch of other points for the pins where the differences occur is the lower times asked points these will eventually be done by me, but I have not timescales for this as I am completely snowed under with other work on the apps.

If you want to plan your points by map before going out then manual pinning is still required, there is no plan to change this as my overriding thing is live pointing is exactly what it is live, I personally don't like pre-planning, but if you want to do this you can add points with the add points feature but this will not display a map.

The server is being reworked at the moment, there is two elements to this, a complete rework of the code which is still in progress, but also the server needs to be upgraded in terms of its hardware and a second server needs to be put in place because code changes require downing the server each time which essentially takes the server offline each time, given that I have over 1,000 users downtime is a significant problem which is why I need two servers, this is now quite a complex setup that will not be ready very soon unfortunately due to the volume of work required.

So in essence, if you want to plan ahead live pointing does not do what you expect.

 

hi alex
i totally get where you are going with the app but ultimately that process will require people taking ipads out with them, fixing them to knowledge boards possibly hoping no one nicks them parked at lights or side of roads of people stopping removing ipads from top boxes etc and opening.... ( I am guessing most people revise through ipads rather than iphones although if there was a quick and easy way to sync all work between phones and pads...) also when you look at the discrepancy between points and there are points coming out on the sheets unplotted then it probably isn't wise to solely rely on this add points live scenario
unfortunately it seems I will have to remain with the traditional way

atb mate and thanks for taking the time to explain everything   

right Alex
i really want to try  and give it all a go seeing as i bought it 
how do we go about transferring the pinning pack from iPad to iPhone?? iPhone easier to carry out on the bike 
also once i have done that i can copy all my points data from the iPad to iPhone but will save that one for a later date
so basically can we deauthorise my iPad and install the pinning pack on my iPhone please?

alex 

dean has sorted so now have pinning pack on phone instead and when i get a chance i will copy all wizpoints data from pad to phone but i guess first time i think i need code etc 
but once i am ready i will drop you a line 

cheers mate 

It’s an app that gives more awareness and information about each and every aspect. Henceforth you can have domywriting that has more ways to deal with all the information.

Last edited by PoppyHeagney (3/04/2020 7:43 am)

nice post